Bangkok Chiong Scene / Massage / AGoGo / Clubs / Disco

[big_ben]

Didn't go Bangkok for ard 6-7years already. Heard a lot of changes especially with the pass-on of their beloved King.

I used to engage escort 'services' from Plaza Entertainment. Is it still there?

[rahkshi007]

Originally Posted by davvvid

Have you met her in person before? Do you know exactly what she looks like in person? Any chemistry? Or are you just choosing a random girl solely based on looks. If thats the case, I would seriously rethink taking her on a holiday and spending all this money on her.

Just imagine, she doesnt look like her photos, but the tickets are bought and state her name. If chemistry sucks, and she acts completely like someone you would dislike, if the sex is terrible and all she wants is to sleep, eat and shop. Which of course is all coming out from your pocket. But you cant ditch her during the trip because if she works from the bar, you will have an extremely bad reputation if you go back.

We had conversation for around 2 weeks period before I actually invite her to island. Honestly I choose purely based on her look without met her in real person. (western mixed asian cute type look). But I am confident her real person will look exactly same since we got video call and She did post video in her FB & some photo without makeup. Also her passport's page photo showed the same cute face, indirectly from the passport I also can confirm she is true lady 5555.

Like you said, the only part I scare is the chemistry & the boom boom. Wish me luck

[Gamer1edp]

Anyone went to Baccara recently, especially after Songkran holiday?
Not sure if majority of the girl especially the popular ones are back to work.
Better if someone can recommend any girl with good looking and service ...

[Siammy]

Better than Nataree?

Hate to reveal this secret place, but YT symphasizes with all the samsters who must be going through withdrawal pangs after the demise of Nataree.

What was eyepopping about Nataree was the sheer number of kittens sitting all around on the sofas. Well, when u enter this place, ur also going to get overwhelmed by the sheer number of dancers. There are almost 30 crammed onto a small, narrow stage. There are 6 chrome poles planted on the bar, which surrounds the stage, and there are 2 girls on each pole. That makes for almost 40 dancers per floor (group). That’s the coyotes. The next floor is the go-go girls and there’s almost the same numbers. On wkdays, there might be a little fewer, but still many girls. In fact, there might be even more girls but divided into more floors.

Then after u sit down and get a good look at the dancers, ur going to go into shock. Almost all of them r young and FIT! No porkies here like at SC2 or other bars. And not only that, there might be a half dozen in the 9-10 categories, a dozen in the 8-10. We’re talking about girls who r going to take ur breath away! YT sits there and literally has a hard time breathing, it is so unreal.

One good thing is that the dancers change sides so u get to see all of them.

YT got to thinking. He used to take northern-looking girls at Nataree, but in the past couple years, he couldn’t find any and stopped taking girls there. There might’ve been dozens of girls at Nataree, but there weren’t real lookers among them (unless they were already upstairs). Of course, we’re not talking about the pricey items on the back sofa.

But here, u get not only numbers but also hot numbers. Some who will steal ur heart, like one has already done with YT. That makes it possibly even BETTER than Nataree!

There r some downsides. Cuz the girls r young, many seem shy and unsophisticated. They dun know how to entertain guys yet. There’s no showing and little play action. Some girls might sit on ur lap, but nothing like SC2, Twisterz or nearby Club Electric Blue. This place is fairly tourist (couple) oriented. It allows smoking. It easily gets crowded. Mamasans can get pushy. And it’s off the beaten path. AAMOF, I’ve told some people about the place but no one wants to go there.

There r also Jp businessmen who come in wearing their suits and buy drinks for many girls.

This place is not for guys who like women who are more mature or better endowed. They should go to the sister bar next door. In fact, it’s strange that u rarely seen anyone get BFd at the #1 bar, but many at the #2 bar. YT has even seen Jps BF 2 girls at a time at the #2 bar.

YT has frequented the place for a month or so, and is still amazed at how the high quantity and quality are consistently maintained.

Best to go early. Best to go on a Friday. Once YT went on a wknite and 2 top girls weren’t there.

The place is King’s Castle 1. U can easily confuse it with KC2, as they look alike. They also swapped places, so KC1 is to the right of KC2 if ur looking at them. Be sure ur in KC1. They’re in Patpong, on the soi with the vendors.
When u hear what it costs for a little excursion with the dancers, ur going to weep for Nataree. BF is 600/800 for the go-go dancers, 1300/1800 for coyotes + 3000 for ST. Forgot what the LD price was but it was expensive.

[Siammy]

Thermae

This is the start of golden week, a whole week of national holidays in Japan. Expect Thermae to get hit by a tsunami of Nipponese.

[lost99]

Thermae

I was in BKK a few weeks back, and stayed very close to Thermae (Ruamchitt + Manhattan) for 4 nights, so i visited Thermae very often to check out stocks, at various times throughout the night. Lots has already been said about Thermae, so i'll give my general impressions.

Positives
- Usually lots of girls to choose from, although mostly SYT types
- Average looks 5-7/10
- girls typically lower mileage
- Non-aggressive atmosphere, take your time to choose
- No need to buy LDs for girls
- Open at 8pm, but peak time is 10pm-1am, even at closing time (2-3am) still girls

Negatives
- Overpriced for the average quality of girls
- Difficult to negotiate prices, due to 'gang' mentality of the girls, and years of Japs overpaying, make them think they are well worth std pricing
- Difficult to sit girls down and chat to see if they are a 'fit', need to basically choose based on looks and quick conversation while they are standing.
- Very crowded. If you go around 10pm or later, customers are standing, the # of customers have re-enforced girls mentality that they will find a customer willing to meet their price
- Difficult to gauge the body of the girls (for boob lovers). Usually wear loose fitting casual dresses or tops which hide their bodies, so you don't know what you are getting until they are naked. If you like big boobs, very few choices, and can't tell if they are real or fake (most likely fake though)
- Girls generally seemed to be strictly transactional, and not wanting to chit chat or build up chemistry. Business only mentality

Tips
- If you go through the back door, you can avoid the drink fee. If a waiter approach you, just say you already bought one.
- If you want to negotiate price with the girl, better to pull her away from her friends and chat with her. Girls don't want to lower the colluded 2500/5000 price in front of their friends. Remember to smile and act friendly.
- If you are into ST, best to book right upstairs at Ruamchitt, or a very close hotel (Sofitel, S15, Manhattan, etc..) as girls more willing to go and accept lower price if your hotel is close, so they can return back to Thermae after.
- If you book a nearby hotel, you can always walk through Thermae on your way out/back to other places, to periodically check out stocks to see if any gers give you a boner. Stocks change every 30 min or so. In 4 nights i only take 2 gers there (not great for booblovers when i went).

Conclusion
My opinion is that Thermae has become diluted and overpriced due to the hordes of overpaying Japs that have paid these whores like they are supermodels, and as a result these girls think they are more valuable than they are worth. Most of the gers there very average looking office types, but still demand 2500/5000 which is too much for an average looking freelancer. I saw more attractive milfs and busty girls at MPs like Posseidon for only 2600ST, and i am 100% sure they would give better service as well. At 2500/5000, the value is not there, and i would rather spend slightly more at a Gogo like Baccara or Rainbow, where just for a bit more money , i can see their bodies (naked or in a bikini), and sit them down and chat with them first, before i decide to take them. The cost there is just 600BF + 2500/5000, so its worth the additional 600 baht for the better looking girl/body and ability to chat with them first.

I would not make Thermae my primary source in BKK. However, i think it was a good idea to get a hotel near Thermae, so i could peek inside on my way to/back from Nana or SC, just to see if any particular girls gave me a hard-on.

[davvvid]

Originally Posted by lost99

Thermae
At 2500/5000, the value is not there, and i would rather spend slightly more at a Gogo like Baccara or Rainbow, where just for a bit more money , i can see their bodies (naked or in a bikini), and sit them down and chat with them first, before i decide to take them. The cost there is just 600BF + 2500/5000, so its worth the additional 600 baht for the better looking girl/body and ability to chat with them first.

All really good info and I agree with most of your positive and negative points.

However just want to point out that barfining from gogo bar is not really just only an additional cost of 600 baht. It was discussed in the bangkok addicts thread regarding the fact that gogo girls are getting increasingly expensive and lots of bars have different rules about barfine pricing and minimum drink quota and what not. For instance I believe twister has a barfine of 1000, and baccara has a 2 drink minimum.

So for argument's sake, if it was 2 drink minimum with a 1000 baht barfine you are still looking at around 4000 for short time (1000BF, 2LDx170, 170 drink for yourself, 2500ST). Of course you are paying for time to allow you talk to the girl and assess the chemistry and of course you will be able determine how attractive her body is.

[lost99]

Originally Posted by davvvid

All really good info and I agree with most of your positive and negative points.

However just want to point out that barfining from gogo bar is not really just only an additional cost of 600 baht. ..... For instance I believe twister has a barfine of 1000, and baccara has a 2 drink minimum.

Yes you are Correct David. At Baccarra if you keep to the minimum, you are spending 600 baht + 2drinks = 1000 baht, if not more for drinks.
Definitely gogo bar cost more than Thermae, but to me the incremental cost is worth it because:

1. The quality of the gogo bar girl is generally much better (looks, body, sexiness, unless you happen to find an absolute GEM at Thermae)

2. Because Thermae mostly have average looking Office girls there, an above average looking girl deceptively stands out (for the wrong reasons) and you may falsely think she is more attractive than she really is, simply because she is surrounded by fuglies. For example, if you put me in a room full of fat midgets, i will look like Andy Lau or Daniel Henny by comparision. For this reason, you need to be very careful choosing girls and not be pressured simply because she is the best in the room. The hottest Thermae girl may simply be an average girl when compared to a Gogo like Baccarra.

3. You can actually chat with the Gogo girl to confirm good chemistry before Barfining, whereas in Thermae you need to commit fairly quickly while standing/chatting, and thus can be more risky

IMO, the quality of girls at the Gogo Bar are another league above Thermae Generally (body wise and for sexiness), and the incremental cost is worth it if you are already needing to give the girl ~2500/5000. If you are willing to pay that much, why not pay an extra 1000 to ensure you have good chemistry with the girl, and confirm her tits are real and her body to your liking by inspecting in a bikini outfit?

If Thermae maintained their 1500/3000 price as years back, i would have a different opinion and spend more time hunting for a gem in Thermae, but unfortunately the free market there has been spoiled, the greed has set in, and unlikey to go ever go back to reasonable rates.

I also want to point out that i did pickup a few street freelancer on Sukuhumvhit outside Thermae, and got ST for 1500 quite easily (Could have gotten 1200 probably but didnt' care). This one i saw wander In/Out of Thermae if they can't find customer on the street, but charge more if customer pick them up inside Thermae! Confirm they treat Thermae as Carrot territory!

[Gamer1edp]

Originally Posted by lost99

Yes you are Correct David. At Baccarra if you keep to the minimum, you are spending 600 baht + 2drinks = 1000 baht, if not more for drinks.
Definitely gogo bar cost more than Thermae, but to me the incremental cost is worth it because:

1. The quality of the gogo bar girl is generally much better (looks, body, sexiness, unless you happen to find an absolute GEM at Thermae)

2. Because Thermae mostly have average looking Office girls there, an above average looking girl deceptively stands out (for the wrong reasons) and you may falsely think she is more attractive than she really is, simply because she is surrounded by fuglies. For example, if you put me in a room full of fat midgets, i will look like Andy Lau or Daniel Henny by comparision. For this reason, you need to be very careful choosing girls and not be pressured simply because she is the best in the room. The hottest Thermae girl may simply be an average girl when compared to a Gogo like Baccarra.

3. You can actually chat with the Gogo girl to confirm good chemistry before Barfining, whereas in Thermae you need to commit fairly quickly while standing/chatting, and thus can be more risky

IMO, the quality of girls at the Gogo Bar are another league above Thermae Generally (body wise and for sexiness), and the incremental cost is worth it if you are already needing to give the girl ~2500/5000. If you are willing to pay that much, why not pay an extra 1000 to ensure you have good chemistry with the girl, and confirm her tits are real and her body to your liking by inspecting in a bikini outfit?

If Thermae maintained their 1500/3000 price as years back, i would have a different opinion and spend more time hunting for a gem in Thermae, but unfortunately the free market there has been spoiled, the greed has set in, and unlikey to go ever go back to reasonable rates.

I also want to point out that i did pickup a few street freelancer on Sukuhumvhit outside Thermae, and got ST for 1500 quite easily (Could have gotten 1200 probably but didnt' care). This one i saw wander In/Out of Thermae if they can't find customer on the street, but charge more if customer pick them up inside Thermae! Confirm they treat Thermae as Carrot territory!

Other may have different opinion.
But I AGREE with you

[davvvid]

Originally Posted by lost99

Yes you are Correct David. At Baccarra if you keep to the minimum, you are spending 600 baht + 2drinks = 1000 baht, if not more for drinks.
Definitely gogo bar cost more than Thermae, but to me the incremental cost is worth it because:

1. The quality of the gogo bar girl is generally much better (looks, body, sexiness, unless you happen to find an absolute GEM at Thermae)

2. Because Thermae mostly have average looking Office girls there, an above average looking girl deceptively stands out (for the wrong reasons) and you may falsely think she is more attractive than she really is, simply because she is surrounded by fuglies. For example, if you put me in a room full of fat midgets, i will look like Andy Lau or Daniel Henny by comparision. For this reason, you need to be very careful choosing girls and not be pressured simply because she is the best in the room. The hottest Thermae girl may simply be an average girl when compared to a Gogo like Baccarra.

3. You can actually chat with the Gogo girl to confirm good chemistry before Barfining, whereas in Thermae you need to commit fairly quickly while standing/chatting, and thus can be more risky

IMO, the quality of girls at the Gogo Bar are another league above Thermae Generally (body wise and for sexiness), and the incremental cost is worth it if you are already needing to give the girl ~2500/5000. If you are willing to pay that much, why not pay an extra 1000 to ensure you have good chemistry with the girl, and confirm her tits are real and her body to your liking by inspecting in a bikini outfit?

If Thermae maintained their 1500/3000 price as years back, i would have a different opinion and spend more time hunting for a gem in Thermae, but unfortunately the free market there has been spoiled, the greed has set in, and unlikey to go ever go back to reasonable rates.

I also want to point out that i did pickup a few street freelancer on Sukuhumvhit outside Thermae, and got ST for 1500 quite easily (Could have gotten 1200 probably but didnt' care). This one i saw wander In/Out of Thermae if they can't find customer on the street, but charge more if customer pick them up inside Thermae! Confirm they treat Thermae as Carrot territory!

All really good points and I definitely agree that generally gogo bars have more attractive girls. However, Thermae like you said does have the occasionally gem. I do sometimes end up sitting at a bar stool in Thermae and chatting with the girls around me to get a feel for chemistry, to break the ice, etc. Typically this works out well for me. But I would understand that some guys would find it awkward having other girls listen in to your conversation with one particular girl.

For me personally, when I started mongering I used to frequent the gogo bars more often but nowadays go to thermae more frequently. Nowadays, I would go to the gogo bars to talk to some of my closer gogo dancer friends and enjoy the music, atmosphere etc. And if I end up do seeing someone I really find attractive, then I pull the trigger. If not, Thermae is just a short walk away. I would also usually bring my non-mongering friends to the gogo bars for them to have a see and experience it for the first time.

Lately I also feel that the gogo scene is very much targetted towards the tourists and not the expats.

At the end of the day, every p4p area has its own pros and cons and not one p4p area is perfect. Just depends on the individual's taste, budget, time constraint, preference and atmosphere he is looking for.

[davvvid]

Originally Posted by 55055

Not sure where you got those infos, but thermae close it door at 1am. After they shut down their door, you may still find girls outside lingering, however, many won't wait esp on low season, they will make their way to nearby after hour discos. 2-3am there's still girls probably katoeys.

Actually I also agree with lost99 and I have stuck around in Thermae until around 2:30am and they have yet to close. Definitely I have been inside plenty of times at 1am and the place still has girls, albeit less than usual.

Probably their official closing time is 1am, but they stay open until most of the guys have left? Tends to be a common thing to do in BKK.

[davvvid]

Originally Posted by 55055

Not sure, been there once at 230am after clubbing @ thong lo, the shutter of the thermae is being shut. So next day told my Sg mates, we go earlier. Went again at 130am similar thing happened like the day before.

So I assumed that thermae close time is at 1am.

Otherwise the year that I frequent Thermae is early, probably 10ish. There's saying early bird catches the worms.

Now staying far from Sukhumvit, only pop up once in a blue moon.

Could well be that around the 1am or 2am mark, they dont let anyone else in, but whoever is inside already, they will not kick them out.

[lost99]

Official closing time 1 am, but they usually keep open till 2-3am depending on things..... I stayed in Ruamchit hotel so i went downstairs late a few time after official closing time. There will also be more girls loitering outside these times, so you may as well check them out

If front door closed at this time, just go in through the back. No biggie

[KatongCowboy]

Originally Posted by davvvid

Could well be that around the 1am or 2am mark, they dont let anyone else in, but whoever is inside already, they will not kick them out.

Yes they will not kick you out..... once I was so drunk that I passed out inside Thermae and they let me sleep inside until I awoke in the morning when the cleaner came in.

None of the staff were around and main entrance was closed but the rear entrance was not closed and the hotel security guard was sitting on a chair beside it (probably taking a nap)

[sadboy1]

After reading so many bros review, now i know why people slowing move the playground to vietnam liao.